Neutrinos clocked breaking the cosmic speed limit?

The carabinieri have pulled over the neutrinos and confiscated their licences

Not climate (obviously) but so fundamental to physics that it was worth noting. The BBC reports:

Puzzling results from Cern, home of the LHC, have confounded physicists – because it appears subatomic particles have exceeded the speed of light.

Neutrinos sent through the ground from Cern toward the Gran Sasso laboratory 732km away seemed to show up a tiny fraction of a second early.

The result – which threatens to upend a century of physics – will be put online for scrutiny by other scientists.

In the meantime, the group says it is being very cautious about its claims.

“We tried to find all possible explanations for this,” said report author Antonio Ereditato of the Opera collaboration.

“We wanted to find a mistake – trivial mistakes, more complicated mistakes, or nasty effects – and we didn’t,” he told BBC News.

“When you don’t find anything, then you say ‘Well, now I’m forced to go out and ask the community to scrutinise this.'” (source)

It’s far too early to conclude anything from these results, but the laws of physics [regarding the existence in nature of the hypothetical super-luminal particles known as tachyons] may need a little rewrite if found to be correct.

UPDATE: The incomparable Lubos Motl dissects the results here – well worth a read, if rather technical.

Comments

  1. Mark Bailey via Facebook says:

    Amazing how time just goes on and science discovers more and more.. Once it was totally impossible for anything to go faster than light. And only photons could do that. Also, ‘science’ said that there was little chance of another Earth like planet anywhere nearby, and yet the European Southern observatory discovered an Earth like planet, 3 times the mass of earth, and with , due to its proximity to its nearest star, liquid water. Oh, and its only 36 light years away.. What else are they going to discover ?….

  2. Mark Bailey via Facebook says:

    Amazing how time just goes on and science discovers more and more.. Once it was totally impossible for anything to go faster than light. And only photons could do that. Also, ‘science’ said that there was little chance of another Earth like planet anywhere nearby, and yet the European Southern observatory discovered an Earth like planet, 3 times the mass of earth, and with , due to its proximity to its nearest star, liquid water. Oh, and its only 36 light years away.. What else are they going to discover ?….

  3. It just goes to prove on thing. Science is never settled. If even Einstein’s theories could be contradicted, perhaps warmists shouldn’t be shutting their mind so easily.

    • The Loaded Dog says:

      Science is never settled….except for global warming science….everyone knows that..

      For heavens sake get with the program…

  4. those who think that the speed of light is the speed limit….are sadly mistaken…….. and always were…… funny that, because this kind of stuffs up all their maths now, doesn’t it? and aren’t they the same morons that want to give us carbon trading scams?

  5. Lorraine Hinge via Facebook says:

    Sounds like CERN is backtracking very fast on there findings, could be they were told there financing would be cut

  6. Relativity forbids particles accelerating through the speed of light (as mass becomes infinite at SoL) but does not forbid speeds faster than the SoL. These articles about rewriting physics are bunk.

    • This was supposed to be a good news story away from all the climate nonsense. Yes, you are correct of course. Would you have been happier if I had written “rewrite the laws of physics concerning the proven existence of tachyons in nature”?

    • “Relativity forbids particles accelerating through the speed of light…” only until scientists with open and enquiring minds discover otherwise. Even something written in stone can turn to dust … given time.

    • Bruce of Newcastle says:

      David – the problem with c is it is the ‘speed of light in a vacuum’. The catch is the ‘vacuum’ bit, since there is no such thing.

      I’m being slightly disingenuous I know, but there are differences between photon and neutrino interactions that could explain this without breaking relativity. Bending it slightly, yes, but not breaking it.

  7. Nenky L Wibawa via Facebook says:

    Greece is going to the wall faster than the speed of light…

  8. Chris, the guys at CERN definitely aren’t “the same morons”. Carbon trading is a pure scam perpetrated by a small gang of pseudo-scientists including Trenberth (he’s lied to me personally), Jones (the guy who now admits there’s been no warming for the past 15 years), Mann (currently defending legal action to reveal his claimed data).

  9. Nenky L Wibawa via Facebook says:

    I read an article by some CERN scientists that basically says the global warming is caused by the sun activity.

  10. Sydney Morning Herald – 24 February 2022

    AUSTRALIA TO HAVE NEUTRINOS PRICE FROM JULY 1, 2026, PM TIM FLANNERY ANNOUNCES

    AUSTRALIA will have a neutrinos tax for three to five years before a full physics trading scheme is introduced, under a blueprint for dealing with physics change agreed by a multi-party parliamentary committee.

    Prime Minister Tim Flannery, flanked by Labor leader Bill Shorten and Independent Malcolm Turnbull, has unveiled the key principles of the government’s physics policy today, saying a fixed price would be placed on neutrinos from July 1 next year.
    The starting neutrinos price, the length of the fixed period and assistance measures for affected individuals and firms are still to be determined.
    The Prime Minister said Australia had to put a price on neutrinos because “history teaches us that the countries and economies that prosper are those that get in and shape and manage the change”. He also said, “The world is at a cross-roads. This physics change is the greatest threat facing the world today and the best way to meet that challenge is by putting a price on neutrinos.”
    The United Nations IPPC (Inter-government Panel on Physics Change) declared further catastrophic physics changes are likely to occur throughout the world unless the problem was addressed. “Taxing neutrinos is the best method to meet this challenge,” UN Secretary General Kevin Rudd said.
    “What we want to do is compensate those people who are suffering the outcome of long-term physics change of Gaia,” Physics Change Minister Sarah Hansen-Young said.

    • GIVE JULIA THE BOOT says:

      Baldrick,

      Given the speed of these pesky neutrinos, I respectfully suggest that according to my projected modelling that we will have the tax before it is introduced. There again, I could be up in the clouds.

  11. Blair Giles via Facebook says:

    CERN are going to find themselves on the receiving end of the coldest of shoulders from the general scientific community over this one. Imagine… putting your results online for scrutiny by other scientists!!!

  12. I recommend you read Senator Mitch Fifield’s website and what he has to say about the Gillard Govt. and the Greens did yesterday in the Senate.
    22-September-2011
    Media Release – Labor/Greens block carbon scrutiny in the Senate – 22 September 2011
    http://www.mitchfifield.com/Media/MediaReleases/tabid/70/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/505/Media-Release–LaborGreens-block-carbon-scrutiny-in-the-Senate–22-September-2011.aspx

    This was beyond disgraceful.

  13. Ray Anderson via Facebook says:

    The audacity of it all.. they should immediately build a computer model to confirm whatever they believed to begin with and then publish it by saying they have a consensus.

  14. I have always thought the speed of light was not that fast.
    How do we know there are not things that are travelling at millions or billions or trillions of miles per second.
    If there are how would we detect them?.

  15. Simon, yes much happier ;-). Sorry, I was referring to all the other articles in the popular press at the moment about Einstein being wrong.

  16. Maybe the 732 km was a surface measurement. While the neutrinos went through the earth. Making them seem faster. It’s a common mistake.

  17. Rick Bradford says:

    The scientists must β€œpresent the results clearly but not interpret them.”

    Isn’t that the CERN way?

  18. Nenky, nowhere nearly as clear cut as that. CERN merely added big science credibility to Svensmark’s theory of the effect of cosmic rays on cloud formation and hence global temperatures … much more plausible than the CO2 nonsense.
    I suspect the Neutrino “discovery” is an error, given the tiny magnitude of the excess speed and the difficulty in calculations under the circumstances. It will fade away in the same way as the “cold fusion dsicoveries”.

  19. William McDonald via Facebook says:

    : Look at the mess that is made because of politicians tinkering with “science” to further their climate change agenda.

  20. Stewart Franks via Facebook says:

    I suspect dodgy batteries in the measured distance travelled πŸ˜‰

  21. Is there any truth in the unscientific rumor that climate change is traveling faster than the speed of light?

  22. My earlier comment seems to have disappeared at light speed. Did I offend?

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